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		<title>By: The One With The Strawberries &#171; So no one told you life was gonna be this way.</title>
		<link>http://popagandhi.com/464/youre-missing-the-point/#comment-20005</link>
		<dc:creator>The One With The Strawberries &#171; So no one told you life was gonna be this way.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 16:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Apple has released some cool commercials for the iPhone, and it&#8217;s official release date has been set for June 29, that&#8217;s real soon! Rumours (hoaxes if you will) of it being delayed are already circulating. Even if CNET gave it a less than favourable rating, this seems to sum up my sentiments quite nicely. Ever since iPhone was announced, it kindda caused a hoo haa in the major players in the telecommunications industry. All eyes are on it. All eyes. I am no exception. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Apple has released some cool commercials for the iPhone, and it&#8217;s official release date has been set for June 29, that&#8217;s real soon! Rumours (hoaxes if you will) of it being delayed are already circulating. Even if <span class="caps">CNET </span>gave it a less than favourable rating, this seems to sum up my sentiments quite nicely. Ever since iPhone was announced, it kindda caused a hoo haa in the major players in the telecommunications industry. All eyes are on it. All eyes. I am no exception. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
		<link>http://popagandhi.com/464/youre-missing-the-point/#comment-14975</link>
		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 03:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone hear of the missing button on the iphone? i heard it is a replacable button.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone hear of the missing button on the iphone? i heard it is a replacable button.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramen Junkie</title>
		<link>http://popagandhi.com/464/youre-missing-the-point/#comment-14851</link>
		<dc:creator>Ramen Junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would probably fall into the latter.  Sort of.  I can see how it's a pretty spiffy device all around but what I also see is that it uses internet and such which costs an arm and a leg extra.  I don't really need a phone that does a whole lot of extra, especially one that will cost me more than a full PC and will require me to pay 200 bucks a month for full service.

So i can see a bit why it's neat but I can't get excited about the overhead cost behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would probably fall into the latter.  Sort of.  I can see how it&#8217;s a pretty spiffy device all around but what I also see is that it uses internet and such which costs an arm and a leg extra.  I don&#8217;t really need a phone that does a whole lot of extra, especially one that will cost me more than a full PC and will require me to pay 200 bucks a month for full service.</p>
<p>So i can see a bit why it&#8217;s neat but I can&#8217;t get excited about the overhead cost behind it.</p>
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		<title>By: daryl</title>
		<link>http://popagandhi.com/464/youre-missing-the-point/#comment-13712</link>
		<dc:creator>daryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, though, the demo of text messaging by Jobs looked very uninspiringly slow. I don't put it beyond Apple to make multitouch that good, but I also worry that it's being designed from an American (read: heavy on voicemail, not enough emphasis on SMS) perspective.

Right now, tactile feedback means I can make calls and SMS without looking at my phone. To equal that on multitouch would be a heck of a technical feat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, though, the demo of text messaging by Jobs looked very uninspiringly slow. I don&#8217;t put it beyond Apple to make multitouch that good, but I also worry that it&#8217;s being designed from an American (read: heavy on voicemail, not enough emphasis on <span class="caps">SMS</span>) perspective.</p>
<p>Right now, tactile feedback means I can make calls and <span class="caps">SMS </span>without looking at my phone. To equal that on multitouch would be a heck of a technical feat.</p>
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		<title>By: popagandhi</title>
		<link>http://popagandhi.com/464/youre-missing-the-point/#comment-13638</link>
		<dc:creator>popagandhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think judgement needs to be reserved on this until we see for ourselves how messaging works.. I wouldn't put it beyond Apple to make their multi-touch system _that_ good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think judgement needs to be reserved on this until we see for ourselves how messaging works.. I wouldn&#8217;t put it beyond Apple to make their multi-touch system <em>that</em> good.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://popagandhi.com/464/youre-missing-the-point/#comment-13637</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that this phone is one of the best phones ever, but Apple made a serious mistake with this phone.

It simply won't work with SMS-crazy people, which makes up a vast majority of phone-using people.

Unless of course, your idol/god/hero has some tricks up his sleeve which I can't even imagine (read: not. possible. ever. unless he's really god.) that is better than the current SMS system (ooh plasticky keys) we use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that this phone is one of the best phones ever, but Apple made a serious mistake with this phone.</p>
<p>It simply won&#8217;t work with <span class="caps">SMS</span>-crazy people, which makes up a vast majority of phone-using people.</p>
<p>Unless of course, your idol/god/hero has some tricks up his sleeve which I can&#8217;t even imagine (read: not. possible. ever. unless he&#8217;s really god.) that is better than the current <span class="caps">SMS </span>system (ooh plasticky keys) we use.</p>
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		<title>By: Interesting Thoughts on the iPhone - Popagandhi at j a v a j i v e :: photography from indonesia ::</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interesting Thoughts on the iPhone - Popagandhi at j a v a j i v e :: photography from indonesia ::</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: popagandhi</title>
		<link>http://popagandhi.com/464/youre-missing-the-point/#comment-13491</link>
		<dc:creator>popagandhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 04:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, you raise a number of fair points. Points I would probably make myself if I lived in the US. Where I come from, 'locked' phones are strange to us, and I don't think they will be locked by the time it comes to Asia.

Also, where I come from we have a flood of the cool "smartphones"/PDA phones mostly from the pacific rim. All of them are expensive. More expensive than the iPhone. Most/all of them are crap, because of the operating system they work on (windows mobile). All of them are more expensive than this price point, and feature much less. There are some people who are willing to drop 'that kind of money' on a phone (lots of them in Asia, and they do that once every month!). There are some who aren't.  

The potential of the iPhone's OS, even if nobody has held or used it before, even at this stage seems worlds apart (in a good way) from the existing solutions. Anybody who has used these existing solutions can be absolved from the fanboyism, simply because they sucked so bad and maybe this is a good alternative. It's not salvation, but I'm hoping it comes close. I never want to come close to another badly designed phone UI again.

Featuring one of the best iPods ever made â€” this phone is a true convergence device, unlike the other half-assed efforts by other manufacturers which tried to be all things to all people, but did none very well.
 
"OMFG I want one" â€” even before seeing the device up close â€” will probably ring louder in Asia, given how we're all nuts about our cellphones. And unfortunately, I happen to be one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, you raise a number of fair points. Points I would probably make myself if I lived in the <span class="caps">US.</span> Where I come from, &#8216;locked&#8217; phones are strange to us, and I don&#8217;t think they will be locked by the time it comes to Asia.</p>
<p>Also, where I come from we have a flood of the cool &#8220;smartphones&#8221;/PDA phones mostly from the pacific rim. All of them are expensive. More expensive than the iPhone. Most/all of them are crap, because of the operating system they work on (windows mobile). All of them are more expensive than this price point, and feature much less. There are some people who are willing to drop &#8216;that kind of money&#8217; on a phone (lots of them in Asia, and they do that once every month!). There are some who aren&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>The potential of the iPhone&#8217;s <span class="caps">OS, </span>even if nobody has held or used it before, even at this stage seems worlds apart (in a good way) from the existing solutions. Anybody who has used these existing solutions can be absolved from the fanboyism, simply because they sucked so bad and maybe this is a good alternative. It&#8217;s not salvation, but I&#8217;m hoping it comes close. I never want to come close to another badly designed phone UI again.</p>
<p>Featuring one of the best iPods ever made &Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&acirc; this phone is a true convergence device, unlike the other half-assed efforts by other manufacturers which tried to be all things to all people, but did none very well.</p>
<p>&#8220;OMFG I want one&#8221; &Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&acirc; even before seeing the device up close &Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&acirc; will probably ring louder in Asia, given how we&#8217;re all nuts about our cellphones. And unfortunately, I happen to be one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: steelsphere.com &#187; iPhone Remarks</title>
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		<dc:creator>steelsphere.com &#187; iPhone Remarks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I posted this comment over on Popagandhi&#8217;s story and comment thread about the iPhone.  My issues with the iPhone: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://popagandhi.com/464/youre-missing-the-point/#comment-13473</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My issues with the iPhone:

1. Too expensive.  Call me old fashioned, but its a Phone + partial PDA.  I'm not about to go drop that kind of money on a phone... "smart" or not.

2. Locked.  I'm not moving to Cingular.  At the price of the device, it needs to be an unlocked phone that can work with more than one carrier.  I'm so sick and tired of phone + carrier cartels, not to mention long term contracts.

3. Durability unseen.  I'm still pissed that I bought a Nano when they came out, which was scratched about 3 seconds after I got it out of the box.  Apple might be able to make nice looking gear, but they aren't always practical about it.  Let me see one of these in a year, after its been rattling around in someone's backpack or pocket, and had a half-dozen software updates on it.

4. It comes from Apple.  The sheer fact that you call Jobs "god" is a good bullet point to this.  Apple products, while stylish, are also overpriced and NOT open.  A lot of people in the geek world bemoan DRM and bemoan closed source and all of the other "bad karma" practices in the industry, and then turn around and hand their hard earned cash over to the companies doing it.  Battered Wife Syndrome if I've ever seen it.

Don't get me wrong - I grew up and learned how to program on an Apple ][.  (no E, no C, no +, just ][)  If it weren't for Apple, I wouldn't be a programmer today.  But, Steve Jobs is not "god".  He isn't even close.  He's a modern day P.T. Barnum, capable of putting on a great show and full of charisma - while he lines his pockets Western Capitalist style. At least with Bill Gates, some of my Windows money is funneling into World Causes...

The sheer fact that so many people are saying "OMFG I WANT ONE!!!!" before they've even held the device or seen it up close is really freaking amusing to me...  Get a grip.  Its a phone.  Its not earthly salvation.

iPhone?  i don't think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My issues with the iPhone:</p>
<p>1. Too expensive.  Call me old fashioned, but its a Phone + partial <span class="caps">PDA. </span> I&#8217;m not about to go drop that kind of money on a phone&#8230; &#8220;smart&#8221; or not.</p>
<p>2. Locked.  I&#8217;m not moving to Cingular.  At the price of the device, it needs to be an unlocked phone that can work with more than one carrier.  I&#8217;m so sick and tired of phone + carrier cartels, not to mention long term contracts.</p>
<p>3. Durability unseen.  I&#8217;m still pissed that I bought a Nano when they came out, which was scratched about 3 seconds after I got it out of the box.  Apple might be able to make nice looking gear, but they aren&#8217;t always practical about it.  Let me see one of these in a year, after its been rattling around in someone&#8217;s backpack or pocket, and had a half-dozen software updates on it.</p>
<p>4. It comes from Apple.  The sheer fact that you call Jobs &#8220;god&#8221; is a good bullet point to this.  Apple products, while stylish, are also overpriced and <span class="caps">NOT </span>open.  A lot of people in the geek world bemoan <span class="caps">DRM </span>and bemoan closed source and all of the other &#8220;bad karma&#8221; practices in the industry, and then turn around and hand their hard earned cash over to the companies doing it.  Battered Wife Syndrome if I&#8217;ve ever seen it.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong - I grew up and learned how to program on an Apple ][.  (no E, no C, no +, just ][)  If it weren't for Apple, I wouldn't be a programmer today.  But, Steve Jobs is not "god".  He isn't even close.  He's a modern day <span class="caps">P.T.</span> Barnum, capable of putting on a great show and full of charisma - while he lines his pockets Western Capitalist style. At least with Bill Gates, some of my Windows money is funneling into World Causes&#8230;</p>
<p>The sheer fact that so many people are saying &#8220;OMFG I <span class="caps">WANT ONE</span>!!!!&#8221; before they&#8217;ve even held the device or seen it up close is really freaking amusing to me&#8230;  Get a grip.  Its a phone.  Its not earthly salvation.</p>
<p>iPhone?  i don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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